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Aesthetic Apparatus
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Interview by: Jarrett Kertesz

Dan Ibarra and Michael Byzewski of Aesthetic Apparatus screen print posters by hand with some beautiful results. They also work for Planet Propaganda, a full-service Madison, Wisconsin design agency that pumps out great work as well.

What led you to start designing posters for bands?

Michael: For me, I always knew I wanted to be involved with art on some level so while going to College I was in a few bad bands and quickly realized I enjoyed designing the posters for the shows more than I enjoyed trying to play music.

As far as how Dan and I got together, doing posters…Dan can tell you about that.

Dan: I guess it started with me trying to teach myself screen printing by making really bad pop art-type prints in the basement of a defunct artists’ cooperative. I met Michael when we both started working at Planet Propaganda. We started printing together by making poster designs for one of the art directors’ bands, started doing posters for visiting bands and it just grew from there.

With bands, that you design for, is there a close collaboration?

Michael: For the most part, the bands we usually do work for are on smaller indie labels and there are little to no hoops for us to have to jump through to get the work done.

Dan: What it comes down to is we do posters for bands that we like and hope that they like what we make.

Michael: Yeah. Sometimes, however, we’re actually hired by, let’s say a record label, and while we may not exactly love the band we’re doing a poster for, we take pride in making a poster that would make that band look a hell of a lot cooler than they actually are.

What’s the technical process you go through once a poster is ready to be printed?

Dan: We usually work digitally so we make our films manually in Illustrator and output them on an oversized digital plotter onto vellum at the local copy shop. Those prints we then use as our films for exposing the screens we print from.

Who are some of you influences are far as poster design goes?

Both: WPA, Saul Bass, Warhol, Rauchenberg, Art Chantry, Jeff Kleinsmith, Modern Dog/Ames Brothers, Hatch Show Print, Yee-Haw Industries.

Do you both enjoy bouncing back and forth between the relative, low tech, hands-on posters you create, and the high tech work you do online (as well as branding and advertising)?

Michael: I personally don’t enjoy working on web stuff as much as print. While I know the design process is essentially the same, I just hate knowing that I’ll never hold it in my hands. There’s something so satisfying about a printed project that even the slickest of websites will never have.

Dan: I (and I can probably speak for Michael too) am a bit of a Luddite. I work on a computer because it’s the media I’m most familiar with. If I could, I would work with my hands and make posters all day instead of sit at a computer.

Michael: Yes, this is true.

What are your roles at Planet Propaganda?

Both: We’re both designers.

What are some of the projects that you’ve worked on for Planet Propaganda and which ones pushed you further along as designers?

Michael: Projects at Planet are all over the place. One day you’ll be working on a catalog for a huge sporting goods company and the next you’ll be working on a CD package for a local band. So it is rather hard to pick just one that has pushed me further a long as a designer, being that they’ve all had an effect on me in one way or another. I would say, however, that any project that forces me to work with a media that I’m unfamiliar with or a subject matter that I wouldn’t normally even think about, those are the projects that really push me.

Dan: Yeah, exactly. We’ve begun to do a lot of TV advertising lately which is really a lot of fun because I don’t have the faintest idea what I’m doing. You just kind of have to jump in and figure it out for yourself and I really enjoy that.

You’ve done the branding and website design for the company you work for (Planet Propaganda). Do you feel that this is one of the more difficult tasks to take on? It’s one of my least favorite things to do because of the pressure of wanting it to be perfect on every level.

Both: It was difficult and, honestly, nearly impossible. Meaning that to try and distill what a company does, and it’s soul in general, while making everyone happy…yeah, not so easy when you’re so close to something, and so emotionally committed to making the design perfect.

Do you feel that with all the different media that is involved with a client’s brand it is harder to stay on top of everything? Does it require more of a team effort?

Both: It isn’t all that difficult to stay on top of everything as far as design goes. Meaning, all the same basic design principles span all media. But yes it does indeed require more of a team effort and you find that it is essential to be able to convey what your thoughts are to a number of different people who will be working in various medias to push your concepts.

How has the current economy affected the work you are doing now? Are clients less inclined to allow long research periods?

Both: As far as our poster work nothing has changed at all, for obvious reasons, and actually the work we do at Planet hasn’t been changed either. Planet has a very set way of taking on projects and the economy really doesn’t have an effect on the way we work. Planet has always been about keeping things efficient and streamlined. The big guys are crazy good at the business end of things and have done an incredible job keeping everything "as is" even as we go through a tougher time with the economy. They’re smart kitties.

What can we look for from you in the months ahead?

Dan: Huey Lewis has actually signed on with a local label here in Madison so we might be doing some cool Huey Lewis posters in the near future. Sorry kids, “The News” won’t be with him this time.

Both: Posters, a shit-ton of posters. Oh, and we just bought a 4-color t-shirt printing thing-a-ma-boob. So, yeah, we’ll be clothing your family soon. You’re excited. We know.

Thanks guys.

Aesthetic Apparatus
Planet Propaganda